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Is Amy Pond leaving Doctor Who?

WARNING THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS CONCERNING THE ENDING OF 6×11: THE GOD COMPLEX READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!

At the end of tonights episode of Doctor Who. The question was raised “what now for Amy and Rory?” and more importantly have they left the series? It would be very easily to look at the 6×11: The God Complex and look at them as the final episodes of Rory and Amy. It did give them a good exit from the series and some ends were tied up. But were they?

Its known that Karen Gillan had signed up for another series next year in 2012. This means that to some extent that Amy Pond would be returning in Series 7 in some form or the other. The question also arises as to how the character was written out from tonights episode. The Doctor lets her go because he doesn’t want to be the cause of her death or her to be hurt. You only have to look at the previous weeks 6×10: The Girl Who Waited and the Doctor’s expression right at the very end. His decisions have played a role in affecting her life. She was the girl who waited and she kept on waiting, because she placed her faith in the Doctor. But this raises a bigger concern. If the Doctor realises this, surely he knows that there is no way that he can take on another companion since that way he would only be doing to the next person exactly the same as he does to Amy. Since the Companion is a integral part of the show. It seems only way to resolve this is to resolve Amy.

Also the Doctor knows that he is going to die. What did he see in Room 11 of the Hotel. My guess is that he either saw River Song or even more likely he saw the Impossible Astronaut waiting for him at Lake Silencio. He is going off to face his end and he believes he is going to die. if he is going to die then he wants to make sure that the people closest to him (Rory and Amy) are protected. That way he can meet his end knowing that the people he cares about are safe.

There’s even a more sinister reason behind this. Whoever they are, the Silence are still out there. plotting the downfall of the Doctor and they more than likely know what is going to happen at Lake Silencio. The Doctor has already made it clear that the people closest to him are the most vulnerable as well. The Silence may even now be looking at Amy and Rory and seeing that the Doctor has left them alone and unprotected. Perhaps the Doctor is even aware of this and however dark it may be, he may be using Amy and Rory as bait to bring the Silence out from the shadows.

Finally there’s the practical way of looking at this. When Billie Piper announced she was leaving Doctor Who it was plastered everywhere in every outlet of media. This has had nothing. This leads me to the conclusion that nothing is what it seems. A rule I have generally developed more and more with Steven Moffat. This could all be a red herring, to distract us from the true plot. None of us saw the Doctor’s death coming at the beginning of 6×01: The Impossible Astronaut. Somehow there is more to this story than has yet been revealed.

UPDATE: It has been mentioned previously on this site and on others that both Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill are returning next year in Series 7. Although it is still unclear in what capacity.

UPDATE 2: The Doctor Who News website has included photo’s from yesterdays recording of the Doctor Who 2011 Christmas Special. The filming was at the home of Rory and Amy and featured both Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill appearing for filming. It may just be a cameo appearance in the Christmas special but it definitely means that they haven’t been completely written out of the series.

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  1. Robertknight
    September 18, 2011 at 4:02 am | #1

    I think what was in the Doctor’s room WAS Amelia Pond, the girl who waited. The Hotel was about turning fear into faith, and the Doctor has his greatest faith in Amy right now. Thats why they were able to find a room with little Amelia, waiting, sad and alone. It was already there. The question is, what did Amy see in her room.
    BTW, I dont think the Doctor fears death, I think in a weird way he almost would welcome a good death. He might even feel he deserves it, which might be the ultimate resolution to this season, the Doctor coming to terms with his own demons.

  2. Eyescribe
    September 18, 2011 at 5:16 am | #2

    I am absolutely certain that what the Doctor saw in that room was not his own death, but Amy’s and Rory’s. His greatest fear isn’t his own death, but it could well be causing the deaths of the people he loves.

  3. Millicentia
    September 18, 2011 at 7:38 am | #3

    Ahh I see. I reallly hope amy doesn’t go. She’s gorgeous. I thought the exact same thing about the media. Tbh i think she’s staying

  4. Glenn
    September 18, 2011 at 12:34 pm | #4

    Personally I think the Doctor seen himself in his room.

    When the creature was dying he said something about an ancient being drenched in blood for whom death would be a gift, and when the Doctor said then accept it and sleep well the creature replied I wasn’t talking about me.

    This is what I think the Doctor saw, all the pain and suffering he had caused others in his lifetime

  5. Will
    September 18, 2011 at 5:08 pm | #5

    I’m pretty sure what was in room 11 has absolutely no relevance to any plot. I’m also pretty sure what he saw was himself. The Doctor hates himself, it probably stands to reason that he fears himself too. Scared of what he’s capable of (after all he did kill his entire race). Furthermore we can hear the TARDIS in the background, and the doctor says “Of course, who else..” which tells us what he saw was a person, not an event. If he’d seen Amy’s death or his own, or an event of any kind; he would have said ‘What else.’.

    Just as a side note, I’m glad Amy’s leaving, or at leave I hope it’s not a red herring. She’s had two series, two good series, I feel the character has run it’s course. Plus it’d be nice to see Matt’s Doctor working with another companion.

  6. odille
    September 18, 2011 at 7:38 pm | #6

    I got the impression that the doctor saw young Amelia Pond in his room. The tenderness, the reluctant resignation when he said, “Of course it would be you”. When he was speaking to Amy in the nightmare room near the end, we were shown his point of view, his hand on young Amelia’s cheek. If Young Amelia wasn’t involved in the doctor’s worst nightmare, what was she doing there? Each room held someone’s worst nightmare. His worst nightmare, it seemed implied, was harm coming to his savior, young Amelia, the person who restored his faith (all themes of the episode). I believe this theme has been implied in small mentions throughout the Amy Pond arc. Thus, the parting to keep her safe, the firm declaration of “Amy Williams”. (by the way, Melody Williams?? Was the name Melody Pond explained? She was conceived in wedlock, right? Digressing) The only alternate explanation I have is that Young Amelia Waiting was actually Rory’s worst nightmare, as none of this would have happened had she not waited — no 2000 year stint as a plastic centurion, no gray area about Amy’s affection — but that explanation doesn’t fit quite as elegantly as the first. The first explanation dovetails into the episode conclusion perfectly.

    • September 18, 2011 at 7:43 pm | #7

      The Doctor stated that Rory had no faith to be tested. On top of that right at the beginning he saw a fire exit. Therefore it could be said that Rory was never in any threat and the hotel recognised that by showing him the ‘way out’

      • odille
        September 19, 2011 at 1:02 am | #8

        Yes, that line about Rory having faith in nothing? My immediate reaction when I heard it was, “are you crazy? Waiting 2000 years for Love?”; the rock-solid, abiding faith that Amy would indeed come out of that box. I re-watched the last nightmare-room scene, and it’s Rory who opens the door and is the first one in the room. Maybe it is Rory’s nightmare. (OK, and how hilarious is the moment when the Minotaur gets the door open and Rory swings right along with the door, love it.) It can’t be Amy’s nightmare, meeting the Dr. was the best thing to happen in her childhood. As a little girl, my best friend was actually a tree. We had some awesome adventures, and he was the safest place in the world for me. Imaginary friends shape us, just like real ones; you’d never wish that didn’t happen. So who’s nightmare was Young Amelia Waiting? Rory’s, or the Doctor’s?

  7. tooktook
    September 18, 2011 at 8:27 pm | #9

    funny how no one thought it was amy’s nightmare(the little pond) to wait for the doctor forever, i thought he sa the dream-lord the doctors own fear of what he could become, personally i think madame kovarian(an exact translation of the word Covariance)is old amy from the kindness facility and in the next season she’ll be the villian starting the long and bitter war(im so lost about the silence i dare not speculate on them as i strongly believe no one on the writing team even has a clue yet as alot on them from series 5 just doesnt translate to series 6 very well)

    • September 18, 2011 at 8:29 pm | #10

      I have complete faith in Moffat tying up the Silence plot threads completely. He’ll do a better job than what RTD could have done.

  8. tc
    September 18, 2011 at 11:07 pm | #11

    The key is that we hear the Tardis. The Doctor hears this because of his faith is in his sexy time machine. Also, I heard the Tardis Bell which invokes visions of the Eye of the Tardis. As we know, The Doctor and The Master both passed the childhood right of passage of looking into the eye, into the infinite unknown, something which drove the Master insane. I think that somehow the Doctor has a fear of these things; whence his life(s)long travelling on the run in the stolen Tardis, but somehow always being put to work by “fate” (for lack of a better Doctor Who word in the psychic/mystical/godless Doctor Who world.).

    Also, talking about undisclosed elephants in the room, I find 6×11 an interesting episode because it is obvious that the writers of the new series are really devoted atheists, and yet, they seem to find strange ways to diss faith in God. And, indeed, they were too timid to attack Christianity directly; but they didn’t fail to malign Islam as a false faith. And that is the key to 6×11, the Minotaur, like the real devil, feasts on idolatry, that is belief in false gods such as self and faith in (a) man. Rory, as the prototypical modern European has faith in *nothing*, a true atheist, a “hero”. Alas, the writers have left open the door for the true faith of the true living GOD (YHWH).

    Just some thoughts.

    • September 18, 2011 at 11:09 pm | #12

      I was almost certain that it was the cloister bell that i heard in the episode and was described by the Fourth Doctor as a warning of impending doom and to man the battle stations.

    • =)
      September 20, 2011 at 4:47 pm | #13

      lol, your metaphors might be right, but it really doesn’t matter. Basing stories off of other stories and tales, such as books and religion is the basis of our entertainment. Breaking it down into “anti” elements of anything is meaningless banter.

    • Superabound
      January 26, 2012 at 6:52 pm | #14

      I dont think the point was that Rory was an atheist per se, but that he was a rationalist. But more than that, its that faith is always about something that is out of your reach. Faith is the belief that “some day” this will happen, “some day” you will recieve what you seek. Its a focused belief in eventual fulfillment. The only thing Rory ever wanted was Amy, and he has her. Amy is his entire world. He doesnt need faith, because simply by being with her hes already in the only heaven he ever wanted.

  9. Rob
    September 19, 2011 at 6:05 am | #15

    @tc

    “it is obvious that the writers of the new series are really devoted atheists”

    No, it really isn’t. Your own religious prejudices are showing quite clearly however. Your post is a bizarre babble of non-sequitors, followed up by an off-topic sermon that reveals more about you than Doctor Who.

  10. September 19, 2011 at 7:22 am | #16

    hope they aren’t gone completely after the Christmas ep, maybe they will be the tertiary companions like River was this season…

  11. Craig
    September 19, 2011 at 12:37 pm | #17

    I think there is a practical plot driven reason why the Doctor inevitably had to leave Amy and Rory back on earth, even though long term, Amy and Rory are going to remain his companions for the next series. The Doctor is nearly 200 years older when he is killed near the lake and once that is resolved, Amy and Rory will end up going away with him again. If they had been hanging the Doctor for 200 years, well, they’d be dead! But this begs the question, why did Moffat make the Doctor 200 years older? I guess this is so that the older Doctor could invite the younger Doctor to his death. hum

  12. tc
    September 19, 2011 at 11:03 pm | #18

    @Rob:

    Consider two of the most influential Doctor Who writers: R.T. Davies & Douglas Adams.

    I quote Wikipedia on Russell T. Davies

    Davies also uses his scripts to examine and debate on large issues such as sexuality and religion, especially from a homosexual or atheist perspective.

    Wikipedia on Douglas Adams:

    Adams described himself as a “radical atheist”, adding radical for emphasis so he would not be asked if he meant agnostic. He told American Atheists that this made things easier, but most importantly it conveyed the fact that he really meant it. “I am convinced that there is not a god,” he said.

    Getting back to Moffat, I think that while Steven Moffat writes about religious topics, he does so in a decidedly non-canonical way, a way which seems more appealing to atheists than theists. Just think about Moffat’s headless monks which said that faith is irrational and requires that one cut off his head to be a believer (an anti-Judeo-Christian worldview). The last episode is totally transparent to anyone with eyes to see; it was a statement that “faith” is a dangerous thing with the minotaur being a transparent devil character which feeds off of worship. These two episodes, and many more, share this similar anti-faith theme.

    At this point, I say: QED

    Any further denials from you Rob would place you firmly in the trolling category.

  13. viviana
    September 20, 2011 at 12:19 am | #19

    I think he saw himself in the room.

  14. September 20, 2011 at 6:32 pm | #20

    @tc,

    Faith *is* irrational. That’s its nature. If you have a rational belief in something based on evidence, it is not faith. Moffat may very well be taking digs at blind, unthinking faith, but that’s not necessarily anti-God or anti-sprituality, it may just be anti-not thinking. I didn’t see the episode as attacking Muslim beliefs, but like most sci-fi characters, Doctor Who goes on the assumption that there is a rational explanation for things, and so of course the Doctor, and the show itself, are going to dismiss spiritual explanations. And in the episodes I’ve seen, there always is some sort of rational explanation, so within the world of Doctor Who, his attitudes make perfect sense.

  15. tc
    September 20, 2011 at 11:03 pm | #21

    I wonder if Moffat would be pleased to see that some of us are debating the deeper meanings of his works….

    @Charles Herold

    Thanks for *somewhat* coming to my defence.

    This episode was entitled “The God Complex”. In Jungian Psychology:

    “Jung often used the term “complex” to describe a usually unconscious, repressed, yet highly influential symbolic material that is incompatible with the consciousness (Daniels, 2010).” — Wikipedia

    “Jung stressed that complexes are not negative in themselves, but their effects often are” (New World Encyclopedia, 2008).” — wikipedia.

    To paraphrase, it would seem to be that Moffat is saying that people have a “God Complex” which is not necessarily negative in itself, but its consequences often are.

    I’m not sure if this is the best forum for a religious debate seeing as how most are here for the scary, sci-fi stuff but seem mostly disinterested in the philosophical worldview behind Doctor Who. Yet, I will say that faith has a real, rational element. I quote from the Bible:

    Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, let us *reason* together,” says the LORD. (NIV)

    Acts 17:22 As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he *reasoned* with them from the Scriptures, … (NIV)

    Acts 17:10-11 (RSV) [11] Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with all eagerness, *examining* the scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

    Luke 24:45
    Then he [Jesus] opened their *minds* so they could understand the Scriptures. (NIV)

    [all emphasis mine.]

    The Bible has 4 (or 7) books on Wisdom, namely: Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes,
    Song of Songs, Wisdom [of Solomon], & [Wisdom of ] Sirach (AKA Ecclesiasticus).

    There are many philosophical arguments in favour of God such as the Ontological Argument(s).

    In many ways, faith is a logical response to reason, experience, and revelation.

    Getting back to the episode: the Muslim girl is lavishly praised by the Doctor for having a sound mind, but he was unimpressed with her thought that the prision represented the Muslim version of Hell. And, as we see later, she succumbs to the enemy; so her faith did not save her from worshipping a devil figure.

  16. hack_mule
    September 21, 2011 at 5:26 am | #22

    @tc

    Dude chill out. This is a doctor who site. If you are going to be pretentious go to christdotblog.

  17. tc
    September 21, 2011 at 11:33 am | #23

    @hack_mule
    @Rob
    @Charles
    @everyone else

    This exchange of posts proves Moffat’s story in “The God Complex”. Here I am a man of faith being attacked and told to go away. This is despite the fact that I am the only one seriously questioning the propaganda value of Doctor Who. [And I write this as a fan.] As Socrates said, “The unexamined life is not worth living….” Moffat was provoking the viewers to examine their fears, faiths, and complexes. You all are, apparently, quite disinterested. I have better things to do. Good luck. Ciao.

    • September 24, 2011 at 11:11 pm | #24

      Yes, of course, you’re being attacked because of your faith, and this has nothing to do with you apparently being unable – or unwilling – to read posts properly.

      Out of interest – do you regularly scream ‘atheist’ when someone disagrees with you, or do you only do it when someone happens to mention faith in some slight way?

  18. hack_mule
    September 21, 2011 at 7:44 pm | #25

    Is there a way to ban some one?

  19. jh
    October 10, 2011 at 12:18 pm | #26

    Firstly, I will say that I am a Christian, and I’m not ashamed to admit that.

    When reading all the comments on this post, I thought of so many things I wanted to say, but then I realised the one thing that I keep coming back to when watching Doctor Who (or any other sci-fi show): we need to remember it’s fiction. It’s there for entertainment purposes. Any anti-God or atheistic themes that come through, whilst I don’t agree with them, I take them as seriously as I take the concept of a time machine that’s defies the laws of time and space in so many different ways, or a pocket-able device that can do pretty much anything you need. Give me a real life TARDIS and I may just denounce God, though we all know that’s not going to happen.

    Just because I don’t agree with the messages that come across in many episodes doesn’t mean that I can’t enjoy the episode. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and if the writer wants to include their opinion in a script, who am I (or anyone else for that matter) to tell them otherwise? Even if I’d prefer if that political agendas were left out of mediums of entertainment and left for other mediums, as mentioned before, I’m not one to say they can’t be added (and I’m free to ignore them as much as I want and just enjoy the show for what it is.)

    Don’t take TV shows too seriously, they are there to entertain, not to tell you how to live your life.

  20. November 12, 2011 at 6:33 pm | #27

    I feel that he saw himself alone as his greatest fear.

  21. Rose
    November 20, 2011 at 4:52 pm | #28

    I honestly have no idea what was in the hotel room door. BUT i hope it was Amy Ponds death because that MIGHT mean that she will be dying soon and i really dislike her SO much i cant even explain it! Not trying to be rude but its just my opinion!

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